Snoke, Mortis, and the Convorees

Yeah, that’s right. I’m about to drop a mega-theory right now. Beware of potential spoilers for Episode VIII and the sequel trilogy. If what I’m proposing is true, it could be pretty major.

I’ll be the first to admit this theory is crazy. However, it might be crazy enough to answer two of the biggest Star Wars mysteries right now:

  1. Who is Snoke?
  2. Who is the convor at the end of Rebels Season 2?

The answer that many have been content on the first question is  that Snoke is Snoke. He is a new character in the universe, according to Andy Serkis. But how much does Serkis even know about his backstory? At the time of that quote, Serkis hadn’t even seen the final version of the character.

As we reported months ago, Dave Filoni provides tantalizing insight to the second question. He stated in an IGN interview:

I would suggest to say that whatever that thing is an avatar of has actually appeared in the animated Star Wars universe before. So decrypt from there…

So this owl-creature “convor”, seen on Malachor, is an avatar for a character that appeared in the animated Star Wars universe? Many have concluded that the convor is an avatar for the daughter from the Mortis arc. I also had concluded that for a while…but then I noticed something.


You see, of all the Force-wielders on Mortis, only the Father vanishes, “Obi Wan style”.This is SIGNIFICANT because we’ve only seen two other characters (Kenobi and Yoda) vanish like this on screen in the entire Star Wars canon. In fact, later in the episode you can see the Son still there while the Father is gone.  You can even still see his head immediately to the right of Ahsoka in this image.


So, something special happened to the Father. We can speculate that the trio of Anakin, Obi Wan, and Ahsoka also vanished, because they woke up in their ship with only seconds elapsed since they left. The Son and the Daughter were intact when  Mortis collapsed. Therefore, I think that if anyone transformed and became the convor, it was the Father. There is the evidence of the color of the feathers looking more like the daughter. This could be relevant and it might not be. We never saw the Father transform, but we can assume that he also has that ability. I will venture to speculate that his alternate form (which from other examples is typically a flying creature) is none other than a convor.

There is lots of evidence that we’ve already discussed about the parallels between Malachor and Mortis. There was  a post by “The Shadow Emperor to the Jedi Council Forums that shows there are deeper connections between Mortis and the Sith temple. Check out that post because he also contemplates that the convor could be the Daughter from Mortis. For example, if you compare the upper half of  “Mortis Monolith”, the structure that Mortis resides within, it looks just like the Sith temple on Malachor:


What’s more, the altar that the Dagger of Mortis sits in, where Obi Wan had to retrieve the dagger from, looks exactly like the altar where the Sith Holocron is. Right down to the shape of the cut-out section, and the dagger is in the same relative position as the holocron:


I think that these similarities underscore a connection between Mortis and the Sith temple on Malachor. Could it be that when the Father vanishes, he transforms into something else, and was transported to this Temple on Malachor that bears all these similarities to Mortis? It stands to reason that it was the Father that transformed to a convor on Malachor because of some unknown mystical connection between these places. The Father is invested in Ahsoka just like the Daughter. For it was the Father that initiated the saving of Ahsoka, and he declared that it shall be before Anakin touched both the daughter and Ahsoka to save Ahsoka. So, for this reason, I could see him taking interest in their fight on Malachor.

OK, so that is my argument for the Father being the convor. It was after this that I started looking at all the features of the Father again. Pale blue eyes, over 7 feet tall, humanoid. Other than the beard, this guy is just like Snoke. Let’s make a table:

Character The Father Snoke
Eye color pale blue pale blue
Height Over 7 feet Over 7 feet
Species Force-wielder unknown Humanoid with Force-powers
Motives Seeks balance in the Force through Anakin Values Kylo Ren for his balance of light and dark


Let’s check out their hands:


It certainly looks like they both have 5 fingered hands with what looks like black fingernails. I will go out on a limb and suggest that no character has more similarities to Snoke than the Father from Mortis

OK, therefore, we have the theory that the convor is the Father, and we have numerous pieces that suggest that the Father has striking similarity to Snoke. Could it be that the Father teleported to Malachor and later lost all of his hair? Then he would be an amazing candidate for who Snoke is, a answering question #1 above. If both are true, then The Father = The convor = Snoke. So that would mean that Snoke can turn into a convor. How does this fit with the sequel trilogy? Enter Making Star Wars.


In a recent leak by Jason Ward of Making Star Wars, we get the rumor that convorees will play a major role on Ahch-To. Convorees will be the “protectors” of the island. Well, sometimes a convor is just a convor. And it’s possible that these convorees could be nothing other than that. However, I can’t help but think of the quote from George Lucas from the Empire Strikes Back DVD Commentary:

“The classic mythological motif that goes through a lot of stories through history is that the key mystical character is an animal by the side of the road that seems very insignificant, that when the hero comes past, he’s kind to.”

Could it be that one the the convorees ends up being Snoke in disguise? This is where the theory goes a bit too far, but I have to mention it. How awesome would it be if it turns out that Snoke has infiltrated the island and convinced the heroes that he was a friend. How could Snoke find the island, you ask? Well, we already know that the Knight of Ren will make their way to Ahch-To and fight Luke and Rey. So why couldn’t Snoke as well?

So that’s it. That’s the theory. It’s a theory that ties together The Clone Wars, Star Wars Rebels, and the Sequel Trilogy. It solves two of the great mysteries of Star Wars. I will leave you with a quote from Dave Filoni regarding the convor:

“It’s a subtle thing that if you know what the owl represents, then it deepens the lore of the whole thing and you go, “Okay, there are things at work here that are beyond our reckoning.”

The “whole thing“? Well, this theory definitely deepens the lore of the whole thing. The whole Star Wars saga. Is this too out there, or does it hold together? Leave your comments below.

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